YOU GOTTA RUB YOUR EYES IN DISBELIEF.
THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE EGYPTIAN ARMY GETTING RID OF MORSI AND THEY ARE OPPOSED TO MORSI
WTH DO THEY STAND
Extract from their sad sad website:
Editorial from Solidarity 291, 3 July 2013.
(This article was written before the 3 July coup in Egypt.)
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is not just a neo-liberal capitalist party, but clerical-fascist.
Former SWP leader Tony Cliff used that term for it in 1946. Despite the SWP’s subsequent shifts, which went as far as recommending votes for the Brotherhood in last year’s elections in Egypt, he was right.
The Brotherhood is an approximate Islamic analogue of the Catholic fascist parties of Europe between World Wars One and Two. It is a canny, cautious variant of the type, but like those parties it has a mass plebeian activist base and a political trajectory which would shut down living space for the labour movement in the name of populist demagogy (“Islam is the answer!”)
The Brotherhood was the only political force able to build up a big semi-tolerated organisation, and large funds, under the Mubarak dictatorship; and so it won the elections last year despite its equivocal role in the battles against Mubarak.
After a year, though — after November 2012, when Morsi claimed powers to rule by decree; after the killing and wounding of many activists by Brotherhood thugs on the streets; after Morsi has offered only Islamist rhetoric for the economic plight of Egypt’s people — millions have turned against the Brotherhood.
Egyptian socialists have been right to join the street protests against Morsi. They understand, also, that ugly forces are jumping on the anti-Morsi surge.
In most circumstances, we would side with any elected government facing a threat of military coup (or semi-coup, or quarter-coup). We would do that even if we hated the elected government and continued to oppose it.
There are cases in working-class history of socialists being swayed into support of populist military coups against unpopular elected governments (Pilsudski in Poland, 1926). We learn from those errors.
This is not the same. We are against a military coup. We are not for defence of the Morsi government. Why not? Because that government threatens, if consolidated, to squeeze out the light and air for the Egyptian labour movement even more fully than Mubarak could — or even more fully than the army could in foreseeable conditions.
The Egyptian working class is not yet politically strong enough to take power against both the Brotherhood and the army. Its priority must be to develop its political independence and to be the first fighter for democracy and secularism against Morsi, against any “transitional” government if he falls, and against the army.
Reverend Dave Hodgson said this morning on Talk Radio Europe that God is everywhere and is in Egypt and he is watching everything.
Big help there Davie old boy! That is a BIG help Davie to these poor Christian people who are being savaged.
But you are OK Davie with your nice wee wifey and your nice wee babby BUT what do you propose to do to help the Christian Copts in Egypt and to help the Christians in Nigeria. If you say again God is watching all I will literally VOMIT…Write a comment below Davie…
FROM THE GREAT PAMELA GELLER, WEBSITE ATLAS SHRUGS
EXTRACT…Obama supports these savages. It is astonishing that the American people have not take to the streets in outrage.
Islamists attack Coptic Catholic parish in Egypt Voice of the Persecuted, July 5, 2013
Islamist supporters of Mohamed Morsi have burned down a Coptic Catholic parish in retaliation for the former Egyptian president’s ouster.
After looting the parish priest’s home in Delgia, a village in Minya Governorate in north-central Egypt, the Morsi supporters set fire to some of the parish’s buildings.
“Thank God there were no victims and injuries, but the alarm continues,” Bishop Kamal Fahim Awad (Boutros) Hanna of Minya told the Fides news agency. “The fundamentalists have closed the roads at the entrance to the village. They shout slogans against Christians, they say they want to destroy everything, and now they are trying again to storm the church. The local police are helpless. I called Cairo to ask for the intervention of the army.”
The anti-Marxist and anti-Trotskyist group called www.wsws.org is telling its readers lies about what is happening in Egypt.
The lies are contained in the following paragraphs which we on themarxistblog cull from their very latest article
For its part, the US-funded Egyptian military does not yet feel itself strong enough to directly suppress the protests. It therefore prefers to play the role of a kingmaker and arbiter, working out its strategy in close coordination with the US. On Monday General Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, reportedly spoke to his Egyptian counterpart, General Sedki Sobhi.
The very same day, the Egyptian Armed Forces issued a statement giving the political parties a 48-hour ultimatum “as a last chance to bear the historical burden that the nation is currently facing,” to “reconcile and end the current crisis.”
The all-party coalition envisioned by the military—bringing together the MB, the main liberal parties, former Mubarak officials and possibly some minor pseudo-left groups as a fig-leaf—would serve to delegitimize protests and give the military time to prepare a more violent crackdown.
These aims are shared by Washington. US imperialism is frightened by the prospect that the Egyptian working class will emerge in an open confrontation with the weakened Egyptian state, threatening to undermine the entire imperialist set-up of the Middle East—in which Egypt, with its deep ties to the US and to Israel, plays a crucial role.
Titled…The Egyptian Revolution and the crisis of revolutionary leadership
Perspectives, 2 July 2013
Now consider the contrast when you read what Pamela Geller who does not claim to be a socialist, or Marxist, or anything except freedom fighter, wrote about this revolutionary situation in Egypt yesterday
And still the Muslim Brotherhood stooge in the White House plants his foot next to Morsi’s on the neck of the Egyptian people.
Obama cited Morsi ‘s 13 million votes for his unqualified support of these vicious thugs. But now a grass-roots opposition group called “Tamarod” – or “Rebel” — claims to have 22 million signatures on a petition demanding that Morsi step down and allow new elections.
Apparently, President Obama is unmoved. “The best President Obama could muster Monday was a tepid call for ‘restraint.'” There was no statement of support for the protesters, but Obama did make a point of saying that Morsi had been democratically elected. “There’s more work to be done to create the conditions in which everybody feels that their voices are heard, and that the government is responsive and truly representative,” he said.
The President of the United States has always been a champion of freedom; we must navigate through uncharted waters when the current President of the United States is an enemy of freedom.
THE LIE IN THE WSWS
There are many, that is more than one single lie in the first quote above by wsws.
But this one is key. When Dempsey rang Sobhi it was not to instruct Sobhi and the Egyptian Military TO DO ANYTHING, but it was to get Sobhi to draw back, to trim his sails.
In other words the US was INTERVENING ON BEHALF OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD in Egypt and AGAINST THE ARMY.
Somehow in the most pernicious way the wsws has managed to turn everything on its head.
Obama is not opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Obama is on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama went to Egypt in June 2009 as his very first trip abroad after being elected.
There Obama insisted on The Muslim Brotherhood attending his conference in Cairo University, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A MOVEMENT BANNED BY MUBARAK.
That was the open door being provided by Obama to The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
Islam is a basket case and can solve nothing. It just becomes the Fascist Movement which sticks the crisis of capitalism onto the masses.
In the above extract from the wsws article we hear them saying about the army:
QUOTE…It therefore prefers to play the role of a kingmaker and arbiter, working out its strategy in close coordination with the US
The feeling you get from this is that the army is the danger, that the army is being backed by the US.
In fact it is the Fascist Muslim Brotherhood of Morsi which is the danger and it is the Fascists behind Morsi who were and are backed by Obama.
Thus Dempsey is not behind the Egyptian Army at all. Dempsey is behind Morsi and is telling the Egyptian Military to do nothing AGAINST the Muslim Brotherhood.
Dempsey is telling this Egyptian General
Lay off the Muslim Brotherhood. Work to defuse the situation. Help the Muslim Brotherhood to escape from the anger of the masses
THE VERY OPPOSITE OF THE WSWS REMARKS. THEY ARE SIMPLY LIARS.
As we keep repeating the US Imperialism and all the other Imperialisms in the world are in league with the Muslim Brotherhood.
The same is happening in England and London, where on Saturday the British State and London police arrest Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll of the EDL, in order to protect the Sharia Law set-up in Tower Hamlets
More on this as we go forward but themarxistblog is sure that the wsws, swp, workers liberty are not Marxist, not even left, groups at all.
They are Antisemitic (hate Israel) facilitators of Islam and Sharia.
- Obama scrambles to save Morsi after Muslim Brotherhood rejects Egyptian army ultimatum (warsclerotic.wordpress.com)
- Muslim Brotherhood thugs ready to pulverize protesters (wnd.com)
- EGYPT PROTESTS: Demonstrators Storm Muslim Brotherhood HQ (foxnews.com)
- Egypt protesters storm Muslim Brotherhood headquarters (ethiotribune.net)
- Obama scrambles to save Morsi after Muslim Brotherhood rejects Egyptian army ult (lunaticoutpost.com)
- Obama Administration Backs Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (independentsentinel.com)
- Egyptian military gives president Mohamed Morsi ultimatum (irishtimes.com)
Kevin Carroll arrested outside Sharia run Tower Hamlets on Saturday last
The man above in the handcuffs generously supplied by the British pólice is an English man who is protesting against the murder of Lee Rigby in Woolwich. Rigby was beheaded. He is the well known Kevin Carroll, and Tommy Robinson leader of the EDL was also arrested. They did nothing but want to walk through an area of London.
But that area was Tower Hamlets, Sharia run Tower Hamlets.
Meanwhile there is a video on the net this weekend of a Syrian Christian priest who is having his head hacked from his body.
There is a video of this on the Atlas Shrug website, url below, and themarxistblog placed this comment there. It relates to who is actually responsible for these things happening. First of all is Islam. But to say that is not the full story as our comment explains:
The actual position is that McCain and Lieberman (Joseph) support this beheading of a priest in Syria. How do I know? How am I so sure? Because they supported the very same beheadings of harmless and innocent Serb farming boys in the 1990s. Some people commenting above seem to have illusions on what is happening in this world. There is nothing to challenge McCain and Lieberman about. We who followed Yugoslavia KNOW.
Those who are guilty of this are those in the leadership of ALL countries who say that Islam is a religión of peace and that some “extremists” have used Islam. That is basically the whole of the leadership of western capitalism.”
THE URL NOW FOLLOWS ON WHICH YOU WILL FIND THE HORRIFIC VIDEO
IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE SAYING THAT ISLAM IS ONLY ONE COMPONENT. THE OTHER COMPONENT IS ALL WHO HELP ISLAM. THAT IS OUR CLEAR MESSAGE. DICTATORSHIP IS BEING PREPARED BEHIND ALL OF THESE POLICE ACTIONS.
“EDL Leader Robinson Arrested Amid Tribute Bid,” from Sky News, June 29 (thanks to Alan of England):
Two English Defence League leaders have been arrested in London as they attempted to march to Woolwich, where Drummer Lee Rigby was killed in May.Tommy Robinson shouted, “You are enforcing Sharia law”, at officers who held him on suspicion of obstructing police as he tried to enter the London borough of Tower Hamlets.
The EDL had previously announced plans to walk through part of the capital before gathering outside Woolwich Barracks, near where Drummer Rigby was hacked to death in broad daylight.
But the Metropolitan Police put conditions on the march which demanded that it ended at Old Palace Yard, opposite the House of Lords.
As well as planning to lay flowers in memory of Drummer Rigby, Mr Robinson and EDL co-leader Kevin Carroll, who was also arrested, were walking to raise money for a young girl fighting cancer.
Sky Correspondent Tom Parmenter said: “They’d walked six miles when they were arrested outside Aldgate East underground station.
“Police had been tracking the walk across London and had regularly spoken to them about their route.
“The EDL leaders had been warned not to go past a large mosque in east London or enter the borough of Tower Hamlets.
“As they approached the boundary of the borough they were warned again by officers who told them they may be arrested.”
Mr Robinson and Mr Carroll repeatedly asked if they would actually be arrested before another man approached the pair and assaulted Mr Carroll.
Parmenter said: “As police officers tried to deal with the situation the EDL leaders continued to walk forward and then a senior policewoman placed the pair under arrest.”
The pair, who were wearing T-shirts bearing the words “support our troops”, were led into a police van in handcuffs while complaining about their treatment. Two other men were arrested over the assault.
At the start of the walk in Hyde Park, Mr Robinson had said: “There’s two of us doing a charity walk.
“They’re (police) saying it (Tower Hamlets) is a Muslim area but to me there is no Muslim area, there are just areas of my capital city that if I have to walk from A to B then you have to walk through.”
“Obviously I don’t want to get arrested and I don’t want to get in trouble so we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it.”
Scotland Yard said the conditions were imposed because of fears the march and the gathering would result in “serious public disorder” and it had warned that a breach would lead to arrest.
The Met said it had attempted to work with the EDL to facilitate the march and gathering and offered them two alternative routes that avoided the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, which is home to the East London Mosque.
In a statement posted on the EDL’s Twitter feed, the group said: “Tommy Robinson & Kev Caroll arrested for obstructing the police and carted off.”
The statement claimed “negotiations” for their release were taking place and that the pair still hoped to walk to Woolwich to lay flowers.
Mr Robinson earlier replied to a tweet asking him what weather he was expecting for Saturday: “ill be in a cell by lunch time so won’t matter. Ha ha”
The EDL campaigns against what it says is the spread of radical Islam, but it has been accused of Islamophobia and previous rallies have ended in clashes with anti-fascist groups.
“Anti-fascist groups,” i.e., fascist thugs.
Earlier this week, two American political activists who founded an anti-Muslim group were banned by the Home Secretary from entering the UK following reports they were to attend this weekend’s march.
Calling us “anti-Muslim” is like calling foes of the Nazis “anti-German.”
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, who set up Stop Islamisation of America and run the website Jihad Watch, have been forbidden from entering the country on the grounds their presence would “not be conducive to the public good”.
- EDL Leader Robinson Arrested Amid Tribute Bid (news.sky.com)
- UK: EDL leaders attacked then arrested for attempting to walk through “Muslim area” (atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com)
- Historic date as London’s Met Police establish England’s first Sharia zone. EDL’s Tommy Robinson’s bail conditions forbid entry. (themuslimissue.wordpress.com)
- Racist EDL march flops in London (socialistworker.co.uk)
- edl leaders arrested during lee rigby march (thesun.co.uk)
- Strict Sharia in the UK: First Our Ban, Now Planned Arrests (atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com)
- WATCH – Hero English Defense Leaders Assaulted, Then Arrested For Attempting To Walk Through ‘Muslim Area’ In London (patdollard.com)
- Limitations put on far-right march (belfasttelegraph.co.uk)
Mosque in Boston USA
Tommy Robinson is correct and we on themarxistblog defend Robinson and the EDL re this mosque that was torced in North London.
Robinson is so correct on this
He says specifically as quoted on investmentwatchblog the following:
‘There were 26 fire bombings in Luton with graffiti saying EDL? Guess who was
arrested for it? Muslims! Sorry if I’m sceptical’.
Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/mosque-burned-down-by-the-edl-in-muswell-hill-london/#PQ3SKIoS9IyM7Bth.99
The correctness of this statement by Robinson cannot be underestimated.
He does not say no EDL members did this or would do this. They clearly would. After all the soldier in Woolwich was beheaded by THAT ideology, the ideology of war which is Mohammedanism, which these mosques worldwide preach.
And no we on themarxistblog are not for burning down mosques, we are for the working class being proactive and when in power in a socialist revolution closing down all mosques as a Fascist carrying facility.
But Robinson has clearly got the evidence that Muslims do burn down their own, stick the letters EDL on the Wall, they collect huge compensation from the State, the freedom fighters of the EDL the only political group in the British workers movement that supports Jews and Israel are blamed.
What could be more perfect…for the Jihad
And for the agent provocateurs at the centre of Cameron´s British state apparatus, who work closely (WE KNOW) with the Mohammedans.
Graphic: Socialist Worker
Yes it is a good graphic by the SWP, but the article with it tells a lie
The SWP are telling people that the Woolwich beheading had nothing to do with Islam, that it was a response to the role of Imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That is a total lie: Islam seeks to dominate the whole world. Hence it enters into conflict with western Capitalism. But Islam is Islam and these killers WERE mandated by the Koran. The lie is contained in this sentence which you can pick out when you read the post below…”Adebolajo said he had killed the soldier because of British military attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan”. THAT IS THE LIE OF THE SWP. THE KILLER SAID HE WAS MANDATED BY THE KORAN. Why not tell the truth! Thus the SWP are more Stalinist tan Marxist or Trotskyist. We on themarxistblog always seek the truth. Continue reading